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| essential post-fed slam win federer vs sampras poll | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 7 2009, 04:19 PM (377 Views) | |
| Mao | Jun 9 2009, 06:14 AM Post #16 |
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ohhzzz^ not sure on that :unsure: Fed is such a gun against big servers It must be said that nowadays in todays game..it seems everyone has the capacity to serve at 200k+....i think kinda diff to back then? coz i heard the commentator say that too (some tourny this year.. that saffer guy on foxsports) and i was like.. hmm true Fed and Sampras are both the same like that, so good at serving... whos got the better serve? :letmesee: interesting debate that would be Fed's serve gets him out of shit so much.. and its uncanny how many times he hits the lines on big pts And also i get this feeling Fed loves to play serve vollyers... but i hav to admit its tough to say coz there arent any quality ones nowadays sadly... but u see when he plays ppl he loves to draw ppl into the net and he is great at hitting passing shots but obviously they arent even close to the quality of sampras.. so its kinda sad we dont know.. Whats interesting is that Agassi has played em both and iidr rates Fed higher (dont quote me..pretty sure of it tho) |
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| Phat | Jun 9 2009, 06:29 AM Post #17 |
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Well even Sampras rates Federer higher so there is probably a fair bit of merit to it. You're right about 200km+ servers. In the early 90s, you had Sampras, Marc Rosset, Goran Ivanisevic, Krajicek and Michael Stich who could bust 200+ and that was about it. Later on Rusedski, Philipoussis and a few others emerged but yeah, there wasn't a hell of a lot of them. Now everyone can do it. Like I said, Federer is great at deconstructing big servers, but Sampras' serve was better than anyones getting around now. If you watch Federer, he is just as clueless as anyone else when someone is getting their serves in regularly - it is when they start to miss and have to send down a lot of second serves that he starts to hammer them. Sampras didn't give those opportunities. |
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| Hodgo | Jun 9 2009, 11:52 AM Post #18 |
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:laughing: The serving nowadays is much better than it was in Sampras time.. Federer by winning the French has erased any doubts about him being the best. Sampras didn't even win a Semi-final at the French from memory. While Agassi did win the French (like Phat mentioned) he still didn't win the amount of slams that either Sampras or Federer has. Thats the difference... |
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| leaguegod | Jun 9 2009, 11:59 AM Post #19 |
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obviously being a bit of a homer here where does rod laver come here ? i mean he played against some great all those years back aswell, won each major atleast twice and won atleast 198 titles (as per wiki, there could be more but they arn't confirmed), won the davis cup 5 times and in 2000 was voted the best tennis player of the century obviously most of us never watched him but he is surely up there |
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| hugio | Jun 9 2009, 12:04 PM Post #20 |
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Plus Laver didnt compete in Grand Slams for 5-6 years, you'd think he would have easily got another 7+ Grand Slams in those years |
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| Phat | Jun 9 2009, 11:09 PM Post #21 |
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Are you sure about that? i could name you 25 blokes who hit it harder than Sampras' standard 205km/h first serve. But i can't name a single one who lands it when they need it like Sampras did. Unless you are Andre Agassi, any first serve that goes close to a corner over 200km/h is close to point-over. The extra 20km/h guys are hitting now is superfluous anyway - needless. Sampras produced point-winning serves with more regularity than any player in the modern era. That is what made him different - not the size of his serve. Hell, even when he was at his best, there were guys with bigger and more dangerous serves - Ivanisevic was unreturnable. BUt he was also unreliable, something Sampras wasn't. Speed is irrelevant. Sampras' serve = still better than any of the downers around now. Plus LG has a point with Laver. |
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| Hodgo | Jun 11 2009, 09:41 AM Post #22 |
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Overall yeah for sure. As I said the serving is better nowadays....I never compared Federer's serve to Sampras. Only you have done that and claimed it as a result of a discussion we were having. I wasn't saying that all the servers nowadays are better than Sampras...but the overall quality is better nowadays than it was in Sampras day. |
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| Phat | Jun 11 2009, 12:40 PM Post #23 |
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I do agree with that, the amount of guys who can serve out a game with four good strokes is way higher than what it was. But yeah, I still am yet to see anyone do it better than him. I even find it hard to recall single matches where guys have done it better. Philippoussis I remember beat him 6, 6 and 6 in the Australian in 1999 or thereabouts - that was one of the best exhibitions of serving I have ever seen. |
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| Mao | Jun 11 2009, 12:45 PM Post #24 |
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One of the great games that sticks out in my mind is Scud vs Agassi at Wimbledon 5 sets, and a shitload of aces [the then record or something] Scud went on to reach the final losing to Fed |
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| Phat | Jun 11 2009, 12:51 PM Post #25 |
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2003 Laurzz. He banged down 46 aces against Agassi. i know guys have served faster than him since, but i don't ever recall seeing anyone give the ball the kind of thump he did when in form. absolutely tragic what has become of his career. If you put him, rafter and Hewitt in a room in 1995 and said "which of these 3 WON'T win a grand slam", not many people would have picked him. |
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| Mao | Jun 11 2009, 01:01 PM Post #26 |
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Indeed, that's a ridiculous amount of 'free points' gained ...there's the unreturnables as well I actually remember one game where he served 4 aces... agassi didnt touch one for the game basically gg Lol when he served - he had this weird noise that he made.. it was like a lion roaring was coolio Edited by Mao, Jun 11 2009, 01:04 PM.
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| Phat | Jun 11 2009, 01:14 PM Post #27 |
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Realistically, if you transposed that figure to an average player rather than the greatest returner of serve in the history of men's tennis, who knows how many he could have served. then again, few players aside from Agassi would have been able to take him to 5 sets when he's hitting them like that. |
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| Mao | Jun 11 2009, 01:17 PM Post #28 |
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those were the kind of days where Scud was clearly the fastest server in the game i think. Well that's what i pictured him as when i was watching.. like the super fast serve of the game if he was playing now it'd be meh... |
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| Phat | Jun 11 2009, 01:27 PM Post #29 |
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Off the top of my head he is still third with 230km/h. Roddick sent one down at 249, and Rusedski was second at about 236 or something. That may have changed in the last few years but yeah, he was still up there last I read about it. |
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